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		<title>By: Ron Fox</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20078</link>
		<author>Ron Fox</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Brad

What an excellent article! Maybe the “o” could also stand for “oppression”.

Thank you for sharing some information about the plight of the Bedouin.

This past April I posted a five part series on my Blog entitled Bedouin &#38; Brous &#38; Bustan.  The first part begins with

“I first met Devorah Brous, an extraordinary person and dedicated committed human rights activist, when I was visiting Santa Fe and attended a weekly meeting of the Santa Fe Tikkun Community. I was so impressed that I invited her to visit Boston and speak to the New England Tikkun Community. After she spoke, my wife, Joan, proposed that we form a sister community with Wadi Na’am, an unrecognized Bedouin village IN ISRAEL (all caps provided to emphasize that the Bedouin live in Israel and are Israeli citizens). Through the sister community project funds were raised to help construct a medical clinic (for which the Israeli government would not authorize a permit) in Wadi Na'am. This year the clinic received an Honorable Mention in Israel's Most Prestigious Architecture Competition.”

http://judaismandisrael.blogspot.com/2007/04/bedouin-brous-bustan-part-1.html

Part 1 has some history of the Bedouin in Negev from 1948-2004. The next four posts are about our sister community project with Wadi Na’am, an itinerary for a visit (that never happened) and details of Devorah’s recent tour in the US. 

While you are in Israel, you might want to contact Devorah and participate in one of her projects and/or take one of her one day visit to the Bedouin Negev (which she may still be giving.). Her US tour ends on June 10. Since I am not sure whether she will be visiting her parents in New Jersey after the tour, I don’t know when she will be back in Israel.

You may already know all this, but do you have any plans or interest in making contact with human rights activists; for example, Rabbi Arik Ascherman, Jessica Montel, Jeff Halper? If I can be of any help, please contact me at admin@ronaldwfox.com or you can go through Devorah.

I look forward to reading more about your travels and insights. 

Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Brad</p>
<p>What an excellent article! Maybe the “o” could also stand for “oppression”.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing some information about the plight of the Bedouin.</p>
<p>This past April I posted a five part series on my Blog entitled Bedouin &amp; Brous &amp; Bustan.  The first part begins with</p>
<p>“I first met Devorah Brous, an extraordinary person and dedicated committed human rights activist, when I was visiting Santa Fe and attended a weekly meeting of the Santa Fe Tikkun Community. I was so impressed that I invited her to visit Boston and speak to the New England Tikkun Community. After she spoke, my wife, Joan, proposed that we form a sister community with Wadi Na’am, an unrecognized Bedouin village IN ISRAEL (all caps provided to emphasize that the Bedouin live in Israel and are Israeli citizens). Through the sister community project funds were raised to help construct a medical clinic (for which the Israeli government would not authorize a permit) in Wadi Na&#8217;am. This year the clinic received an Honorable Mention in Israel&#8217;s Most Prestigious Architecture Competition.”</p>
<p><a href="http://judaismandisrael.blogspot.com/2007/04/bedouin-brous-bustan-part-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://judaismandisrael.blogspot.com/2007/04/bedouin-brous-bustan-part-1.html</a></p>
<p>Part 1 has some history of the Bedouin in Negev from 1948-2004. The next four posts are about our sister community project with Wadi Na’am, an itinerary for a visit (that never happened) and details of Devorah’s recent tour in the US. </p>
<p>While you are in Israel, you might want to contact Devorah and participate in one of her projects and/or take one of her one day visit to the Bedouin Negev (which she may still be giving.). Her US tour ends on June 10. Since I am not sure whether she will be visiting her parents in New Jersey after the tour, I don’t know when she will be back in Israel.</p>
<p>You may already know all this, but do you have any plans or interest in making contact with human rights activists; for example, Rabbi Arik Ascherman, Jessica Montel, Jeff Halper? If I can be of any help, please contact me at <a href="mailto:admin@ronaldwfox.com">admin@ronaldwfox.com</a> or you can go through Devorah.</p>
<p>I look forward to reading more about your travels and insights. </p>
<p>Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Ben-Yehudah</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20083</link>
		<author>Ben-Yehudah</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20083</guid>
					<description>B"H  I'll admit that changes in the bus routes and schedule are the least of my worries.  Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, not the Arabs.  Settler?  K'far Shmaryahu and Ramat Aviv were built on Arab villages.  Hevron, for example, was not.  As far as the Arabs (&#38; many Europeans) are concerned, we're all "settlers."

The various anti-Torah, Israeli regimes have made many mistakes.  One of their biggest was not annexing Yehudah, Shomron, &#38; Azza.  Another was handing control of the Temple Mount to the Arabs.

See https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&#38;-the-Arab-World-plus-Iran.bmp

The Arabs already have plenty.  There's just one problem.  None of them like the so-called "palestinians."  Jordan kills them, Egypt and Kuwait kicks them out.  So, all of a sudden, it's supposed to be Israel's problem.  Go figure...

The Bedouin?  Some of the friendly Israel clans my be entitled to some assistance under Jewish Law, like many loyal Druze, and Lebanese Christians.  It's worth investigation.  Any hostile elements should be taken care of in a different manner.  And, it should be openly, without any hesitation, embarrassment, nor concern for the feelings nor opinions of the goyim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B&#8221;H  I&#8217;ll admit that changes in the bus routes and schedule are the least of my worries.  Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, not the Arabs.  Settler?  K&#8217;far Shmaryahu and Ramat Aviv were built on Arab villages.  Hevron, for example, was not.  As far as the Arabs (&amp; many Europeans) are concerned, we&#8217;re all &#8220;settlers.&#8221;</p>
<p>The various anti-Torah, Israeli regimes have made many mistakes.  One of their biggest was not annexing Yehudah, Shomron, &amp; Azza.  Another was handing control of the Temple Mount to the Arabs.</p>
<p>See <a href="https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&amp;-the-Arab-World-plus-Iran.bmp" rel="nofollow">https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&amp;-the-Arab-World-plus-Iran.bmp</a></p>
<p>The Arabs already have plenty.  There&#8217;s just one problem.  None of them like the so-called &#8220;palestinians.&#8221;  Jordan kills them, Egypt and Kuwait kicks them out.  So, all of a sudden, it&#8217;s supposed to be Israel&#8217;s problem.  Go figure&#8230;</p>
<p>The Bedouin?  Some of the friendly Israel clans my be entitled to some assistance under Jewish Law, like many loyal Druze, and Lebanese Christians.  It&#8217;s worth investigation.  Any hostile elements should be taken care of in a different manner.  And, it should be openly, without any hesitation, embarrassment, nor concern for the feelings nor opinions of the goyim.</p>
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		<title>By: Steffi</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20085</link>
		<author>Steffi</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20085</guid>
					<description>Ben Yehudah: I'm a little surprised at the first statement in your comment above: "Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, not the Arabs."  One could,instead, look at this whole conflict as a tragedy ensuing from the fact that both Jews and Palestinians have valid claims to this land and that it contains religious/historical sites that are profoundly meaningful to both groups. One could argue, I suppose, about whose claims to certain particular areas are "more" valid. But to deny the Palestinians any claim to the land they had been living in for centuries when the early Zionists began to settle there seems to be quite a stretch.
I'd like to quote from Amos Oz (from "Tales of Love and Darkness":
     "In the lives of individuals and of peoples, too, the worst conflicts are often those that break out between those who are persecuted...That may well be the case with the hundred-year-old conflict between Arabs and Jews. 
     "The Europe that abused, humiliated and oppressed the Arabs by means of imperialism, colonialism, exploitation, and oppression is the same Europe that oppressed and persectued the Jews, and eventually allowed or even helped the Germans to root them out of every corner of the continent and murder almost all of them. But when the Arabs look at us, they see not a bunch of half-hysterical survivors but a new offshoot of Europe, with its colonialism, technical sophistication, and exploitation, that has cleverly returned to the Middle East -- in Zionist guise this time -- to exploit, evict and oppress all over again. And when we look at them, we do not see fellow victims either: we see not brothers in adversity but pogrom-making Cossacks, bloodthirsty anti-Semites, Nazis in disguise, as though our European persecutors have reappeared here in the land of Israel, put keffiyehs on their heads...but they are still our old murderers, interested only in slitting Jews' throats for fun."
   People like Brad are able to get beyond those deeply entrenched narratives, and to see the human beings who are trapped by them. What he shares with us about taking his son to the playground and looking, really looking, at the Palestinian children playing there; about paying attention to something many of us might never notice such as the lack of adequate banks in an Arab community (and going out of his way to patronize the one bank that is there!), and connecting these observations with his experiences in the neighborhood he lives in in D.C. are generous and open acts of humanity. It is a gift that he can write about them so elegantly and I can only feel sad that your response to Brad's thoughtful and humane attempts to make sense of a truly terrible situation should be so lacking in compassion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Yehudah: I&#8217;m a little surprised at the first statement in your comment above: &#8220;Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, not the Arabs.&#8221;  One could,instead, look at this whole conflict as a tragedy ensuing from the fact that both Jews and Palestinians have valid claims to this land and that it contains religious/historical sites that are profoundly meaningful to both groups. One could argue, I suppose, about whose claims to certain particular areas are &#8220;more&#8221; valid. But to deny the Palestinians any claim to the land they had been living in for centuries when the early Zionists began to settle there seems to be quite a stretch.<br />
I&#8217;d like to quote from Amos Oz (from &#8220;Tales of Love and Darkness&#8221;:<br />
     &#8220;In the lives of individuals and of peoples, too, the worst conflicts are often those that break out between those who are persecuted&#8230;That may well be the case with the hundred-year-old conflict between Arabs and Jews.<br />
     &#8220;The Europe that abused, humiliated and oppressed the Arabs by means of imperialism, colonialism, exploitation, and oppression is the same Europe that oppressed and persectued the Jews, and eventually allowed or even helped the Germans to root them out of every corner of the continent and murder almost all of them. But when the Arabs look at us, they see not a bunch of half-hysterical survivors but a new offshoot of Europe, with its colonialism, technical sophistication, and exploitation, that has cleverly returned to the Middle East &#8212; in Zionist guise this time &#8212; to exploit, evict and oppress all over again. And when we look at them, we do not see fellow victims either: we see not brothers in adversity but pogrom-making Cossacks, bloodthirsty anti-Semites, Nazis in disguise, as though our European persecutors have reappeared here in the land of Israel, put keffiyehs on their heads&#8230;but they are still our old murderers, interested only in slitting Jews&#8217; throats for fun.&#8221;<br />
   People like Brad are able to get beyond those deeply entrenched narratives, and to see the human beings who are trapped by them. What he shares with us about taking his son to the playground and looking, really looking, at the Palestinian children playing there; about paying attention to something many of us might never notice such as the lack of adequate banks in an Arab community (and going out of his way to patronize the one bank that is there!), and connecting these observations with his experiences in the neighborhood he lives in in D.C. are generous and open acts of humanity. It is a gift that he can write about them so elegantly and I can only feel sad that your response to Brad&#8217;s thoughtful and humane attempts to make sense of a truly terrible situation should be so lacking in compassion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben-Yehudah</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20091</link>
		<author>Ben-Yehudah</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20091</guid>
					<description>B"H  The so-called "palestinians" didn't exist until 60 years ago.  No, actually they did: The Jews in Israel were residents of "palestine."  The word "palestine" is a bastardization of "philistia," extended by the Romans to include not only Philistia, but all of Israel.  1,000's of years?  Arabs now in the Shomron came from Jordan.  Even Arabs from the Gallil originated in what is now called Syria and Lebanon.  It doesn't matter anyway.  It all belongs to the Jewish People.  You talk about historical claims. The Jews have a 3,500 yr. claim, the Yishma'elites having moved to the Arava (thus they're called Arbs), aside from the incursion and marauding in Israel (see the Bible).  it doesn't matter.  The Land belongs to the Almighty.  We are commanded to take that which was promised to us.  It is not ours to give away, even if we wanted to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B&#8221;H  The so-called &#8220;palestinians&#8221; didn&#8217;t exist until 60 years ago.  No, actually they did: The Jews in Israel were residents of &#8220;palestine.&#8221;  The word &#8220;palestine&#8221; is a bastardization of &#8220;philistia,&#8221; extended by the Romans to include not only Philistia, but all of Israel.  1,000&#8217;s of years?  Arabs now in the Shomron came from Jordan.  Even Arabs from the Gallil originated in what is now called Syria and Lebanon.  It doesn&#8217;t matter anyway.  It all belongs to the Jewish People.  You talk about historical claims. The Jews have a 3,500 yr. claim, the Yishma&#8217;elites having moved to the Arava (thus they&#8217;re called Arbs), aside from the incursion and marauding in Israel (see the Bible).  it doesn&#8217;t matter.  The Land belongs to the Almighty.  We are commanded to take that which was promised to us.  It is not ours to give away, even if we wanted to.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Brooks-Rubin</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20092</link>
		<author>Brad Brooks-Rubin</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20092</guid>
					<description>Ben-Yehudah, thank you for your comments.  I am glad you took the time to read this blog, as I did with yours.  It is clear we disagree on many, many issues, and we are unlikely to resolve them through this disembodied means of communication, but hopefully the awareness is a start.

And let me respond by agreeing, in essence, with 2 of your statements.  First, perhaps Israel should have annexed the Territories after 1967.  But then you would have had to make everyone who lives there -- everyone -- a citizen of Israel, no?  That would seem to change the demography in a way that I am guessing you would not be satisfied with.  Why suggest annexation, then?  Or would you have advocated something more than just annexation?

Second, I will refer you back to a post I put up last week: http://semitism.net/2007/05/30/it-was-supposed-to-be-different-here/.  In this post, I quoted Buber, who agrees with your statement, "The Land belongs to the Almighty."  And I do, too.  

So if the Land belongs to God, even if God commands us to "take" the Land on God's behalf, the question remains then of what happens to all of the people who then live there, Jew or Arab or other.  Do we fulfill the vision of God by living according to God's commandments, and treating all of those who live within the Land with respect and honor and as neighbors, or according to more nationalistic, earthly pursuits of power and oppression?  

Look around you, Ben-Yehuda.  Surrounded, I imagine (based on my visits to your region in the past) by barbed wire fences and soldiers and gates and hostility and fear, both from within and without.  You may feel you are fulfilling Jewish destiny, which then provides comfort and resolve in the face of everything else, but your post on the buses makes the point implicitly -- are you not remote and distant from the Land, even the very Land on which you live?    

This cannot be what God wanted for the Land.  Are we not obligated, then, to make of the Land what God does want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben-Yehudah, thank you for your comments.  I am glad you took the time to read this blog, as I did with yours.  It is clear we disagree on many, many issues, and we are unlikely to resolve them through this disembodied means of communication, but hopefully the awareness is a start.</p>
<p>And let me respond by agreeing, in essence, with 2 of your statements.  First, perhaps Israel should have annexed the Territories after 1967.  But then you would have had to make everyone who lives there &#8212; everyone &#8212; a citizen of Israel, no?  That would seem to change the demography in a way that I am guessing you would not be satisfied with.  Why suggest annexation, then?  Or would you have advocated something more than just annexation?</p>
<p>Second, I will refer you back to a post I put up last week: <a href="http://semitism.net/2007/05/30/it-was-supposed-to-be-different-here/." rel="nofollow">http://semitism.net/2007/05/30/it-was-supposed-to-be-different-here/.</a>  In this post, I quoted Buber, who agrees with your statement, &#8220;The Land belongs to the Almighty.&#8221;  And I do, too.  </p>
<p>So if the Land belongs to God, even if God commands us to &#8220;take&#8221; the Land on God&#8217;s behalf, the question remains then of what happens to all of the people who then live there, Jew or Arab or other.  Do we fulfill the vision of God by living according to God&#8217;s commandments, and treating all of those who live within the Land with respect and honor and as neighbors, or according to more nationalistic, earthly pursuits of power and oppression?  </p>
<p>Look around you, Ben-Yehuda.  Surrounded, I imagine (based on my visits to your region in the past) by barbed wire fences and soldiers and gates and hostility and fear, both from within and without.  You may feel you are fulfilling Jewish destiny, which then provides comfort and resolve in the face of everything else, but your post on the buses makes the point implicitly &#8212; are you not remote and distant from the Land, even the very Land on which you live?    </p>
<p>This cannot be what God wanted for the Land.  Are we not obligated, then, to make of the Land what God does want?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben-Yehudah</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20116</link>
		<author>Ben-Yehudah</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20116</guid>
					<description>B"H  Thank you for your comments.  You're right.  It is disconnected communication.  Please feel free to e-mail me.  I am afraid I have found no other way of reaching you besides commenting here.  Perhaps, I missed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B&#8221;H  Thank you for your comments.  You&#8217;re right.  It is disconnected communication.  Please feel free to e-mail me.  I am afraid I have found no other way of reaching you besides commenting here.  Perhaps, I missed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Schamess</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20121</link>
		<author>Andrew Schamess</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20121</guid>
					<description>I'm glad Ben Yehuda is commenting here, and I really appreciate the mutually respectful way the discussion is taking place -quite a contrast from the insult-hurling that's seen on many blogs and boards.

As a non-Orthodox, committed Jew, I've struggled for quite a while with the religious Zionist claim to the land.  I have great respect for the Orthodox as keepers of strict Jewish law and tradition - perhaps they are those closest to G-d.

Certainly there is an interpretation of Torah and of Jewish history that justifies a Jewish claim to the land.  But it's also true that Judaism has evolved to a point where we no longer need the Temple to worship.  We have prayer rather than animal sacrifice.  We believe that G-d is everywhere, and that we can worship G-d anywhere.

Do we, then, really need the Land of Israel to show our devotion?  Or are we simply distorting G-d's Word to justify something we want for purely material reasons? - property, wealth, security - all the interests that really drive Israeli policy with regard to land and borders (think how much property values rise in Israeli settlements when the government announces it will be within the separation wall).

I am aware, of course, of the mitzvah to settle the land, in its many iterations.

But, in my human heart, I simply cannot believe that the dispossession, exile, oppression and impoverishment of other peoples is what G-d wanted from us when He commanded Abraham, at the very beginning, to "be a blessing."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad Ben Yehuda is commenting here, and I really appreciate the mutually respectful way the discussion is taking place -quite a contrast from the insult-hurling that&#8217;s seen on many blogs and boards.</p>
<p>As a non-Orthodox, committed Jew, I&#8217;ve struggled for quite a while with the religious Zionist claim to the land.  I have great respect for the Orthodox as keepers of strict Jewish law and tradition - perhaps they are those closest to G-d.</p>
<p>Certainly there is an interpretation of Torah and of Jewish history that justifies a Jewish claim to the land.  But it&#8217;s also true that Judaism has evolved to a point where we no longer need the Temple to worship.  We have prayer rather than animal sacrifice.  We believe that G-d is everywhere, and that we can worship G-d anywhere.</p>
<p>Do we, then, really need the Land of Israel to show our devotion?  Or are we simply distorting G-d&#8217;s Word to justify something we want for purely material reasons? - property, wealth, security - all the interests that really drive Israeli policy with regard to land and borders (think how much property values rise in Israeli settlements when the government announces it will be within the separation wall).</p>
<p>I am aware, of course, of the mitzvah to settle the land, in its many iterations.</p>
<p>But, in my human heart, I simply cannot believe that the dispossession, exile, oppression and impoverishment of other peoples is what G-d wanted from us when He commanded Abraham, at the very beginning, to &#8220;be a blessing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Next Generation</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20139</link>
		<author>Next Generation</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20139</guid>
					<description>If I look into my heart of hearts and get off the ego band wagon, that is to trust my intuition, how can I not look at all beings as being entitled to the same things? I am the child of antisemitic Jews and am practicing my religion by living it, not dressing up on the high holidays to show off. I implore people to look to their hearts and not their egos. "Trust you Vibes" in today's language and do not fear to be 
different or unpopular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I look into my heart of hearts and get off the ego band wagon, that is to trust my intuition, how can I not look at all beings as being entitled to the same things? I am the child of antisemitic Jews and am practicing my religion by living it, not dressing up on the high holidays to show off. I implore people to look to their hearts and not their egos. &#8220;Trust you Vibes&#8221; in today&#8217;s language and do not fear to be<br />
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		<title>By: Ben-Yehudah</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20184</link>
		<author>Ben-Yehudah</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>B"H Andrew, I appreciate your honesty about your feelings.  Halacha however, is not understood through feelings, but through the "halachic process."  Many Jews throughout world, thus, can find the results of this process regarding a variety of issues as counter-intuitive, particularly those living in the Western world (ashkinazim).  I believe it's helpful for Jews to ask ourselves to what extent this evolution is really just a result of 2,000 yrs of becoming increasingly "Western," distancing ourselves from what it really means to be Jewish.  The Torah is not politically correct; it is absolutely correct.  We can certainly debate to whom we should listen regarding "what the Torah says."  However, Rav Kook ZTz"L and Rabbi Yoel of Satmar, however much they disagreed, they still approached the Torah through the same manner as our Rabbinic forefathers.  Non-Orthodox approaches do not, so it is no wonder that they come up with a different understanding of "how one should live ones life," often trying to second guess that..."HaShem couldn't possibly have wanted this or that."  This is a feeling response, not a halachic one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B&#8221;H Andrew, I appreciate your honesty about your feelings.  Halacha however, is not understood through feelings, but through the &#8220;halachic process.&#8221;  Many Jews throughout world, thus, can find the results of this process regarding a variety of issues as counter-intuitive, particularly those living in the Western world (ashkinazim).  I believe it&#8217;s helpful for Jews to ask ourselves to what extent this evolution is really just a result of 2,000 yrs of becoming increasingly &#8220;Western,&#8221; distancing ourselves from what it really means to be Jewish.  The Torah is not politically correct; it is absolutely correct.  We can certainly debate to whom we should listen regarding &#8220;what the Torah says.&#8221;  However, Rav Kook ZTz&#8221;L and Rabbi Yoel of Satmar, however much they disagreed, they still approached the Torah through the same manner as our Rabbinic forefathers.  Non-Orthodox approaches do not, so it is no wonder that they come up with a different understanding of &#8220;how one should live ones life,&#8221; often trying to second guess that&#8230;&#8221;HaShem couldn&#8217;t possibly have wanted this or that.&#8221;  This is a feeling response, not a halachic one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben-Yehudah</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/06/06/one-occupation-at-a-time/#comment-20187</link>
		<author>Ben-Yehudah</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>B"H I also appreciate the respect displayed here.  Disagreement does not have to mean "not listening" and "not trying to understand."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B&#8221;H I also appreciate the respect displayed here.  Disagreement does not have to mean &#8220;not listening&#8221; and &#8220;not trying to understand.&#8221;</p>
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