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	<title>Comments on: A lot of dismay, a little bit of hope, and two great guys</title>
	<link>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/</link>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/#comment-16063</link>
		<author>Rebecca</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>what a great post, especially for your first time out!  sounds like it was a really fascinating discussion, and it's so amazing these men could be doing this together -- i found my hackles raised on behalf of each of them at various points in your recounting, and really this is such hard stuff to approach -- andrew you should see if they'd be willing to guest-blog occasionally...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a great post, especially for your first time out!  sounds like it was a really fascinating discussion, and it&#8217;s so amazing these men could be doing this together &#8212; i found my hackles raised on behalf of each of them at various points in your recounting, and really this is such hard stuff to approach &#8212; andrew you should see if they&#8217;d be willing to guest-blog occasionally&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steffi</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/#comment-16064</link>
		<author>Steffi</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Apologies to my readers. The correct spelling of the last name of Abir and her father is Aramin, not Ariman. I had only heard the name pronounced and spelled it out the way it sounded to my not-so-great hearing, but I realized when I read the NYTimes article that I'd gotten it wrong. Apologies, too, to the Aramin family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies to my readers. The correct spelling of the last name of Abir and her father is Aramin, not Ariman. I had only heard the name pronounced and spelled it out the way it sounded to my not-so-great hearing, but I realized when I read the NYTimes article that I&#8217;d gotten it wrong. Apologies, too, to the Aramin family.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Schamess</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/#comment-16065</link>
		<author>Andrew Schamess</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/#comment-16065</guid>
					<description>Yes it really is great to have this news from the frontline of the Israeli/Palestinian and the American Jewish peace movements.

It is striking to me, how surprised American Jews are to hear rational Palestinian voices, and to hear about the hardships and tragedies of day to day life under the occupation.  It's not like this information is hard to come by, but we somehow manage to insulate ourselves from it.

That's why the work you're doing - bringing Combatants for Peace to Western Mass, and blogging about it too - is so important.

You've always been an example to me, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it really is great to have this news from the frontline of the Israeli/Palestinian and the American Jewish peace movements.</p>
<p>It is striking to me, how surprised American Jews are to hear rational Palestinian voices, and to hear about the hardships and tragedies of day to day life under the occupation.  It&#8217;s not like this information is hard to come by, but we somehow manage to insulate ourselves from it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the work you&#8217;re doing - bringing Combatants for Peace to Western Mass, and blogging about it too - is so important.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve always been an example to me, you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Schwarz</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/#comment-16067</link>
		<author>Jonathan Schwarz</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/#comment-16067</guid>
					<description>Thanks for this post -- genuinely interesting. I'd heard of Combatants for Peace, but hadn't ever read anything like this level of detail about the kind of people involved. Clearly they're impressive.

It also seems to me that this could be a good piece for Commondreams.org or similar places. I hope you consider sending it there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post &#8212; genuinely interesting. I&#8217;d heard of Combatants for Peace, but hadn&#8217;t ever read anything like this level of detail about the kind of people involved. Clearly they&#8217;re impressive.</p>
<p>It also seems to me that this could be a good piece for Commondreams.org or similar places. I hope you consider sending it there.</p>
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		<title>By: ellenr</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/#comment-16072</link>
		<author>ellenr</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/#comment-16072</guid>
					<description>Steffie Schamess,
Hello Andrew's mom!
Thank you for that report. Some of us in my town in NJ wanted to bring the Group here, but we were unable to contact them, so I am glad to read about their tour. Kudos to you for being part of their effort to reach people in America.

Quoting you - 'the “problem” of demographics in Israel: i.e., the ratio of Jews to non-Jews, and how Israel will remain a “Jewish” state — (a topic on which I hope to blog in the future)' :
my comments-
I look forward to your comments. I would enjoy being a part of a conversation on this topic - a calm, respectful, even loving conversation. I believe the issue of a "Jewish state" is the very root of the situation, that it is the elephant in the living room that most people, including very courageous opponents of the Occupation, do not address.

It seems to me that the parameters of the public discourse need to be widened, to include the question of how (in your words) or if (my word) "Israel will remain a 'Jewish' state". This will not be an easy task, considering that people like President Carter and Tikkun founder Michael Lerner, who are loud in their declaration of love for Israel, nevertheless receive death threats for their opposition to the Occupation and some of Israel's more extreme policies toward the Palestinians. 

My own position is conflicted - I have been immersed for fifteen years in the struggle for justice for the Palestinians. When Ali Abunimah, author, and founder of Electronic Intifada, was asked what does optimism look like, he replied, "Optimism is that the conditions of the Palestinians right now are not as bad as they will be in six months." I feel that what we are seeing is an attempt to destroy the Palestinian people as a people. And to not do everything in one's power to oppose this most grievous crime is to be complicit.

At the same time -  I am 59-years old. I am the second generation after the Holocaust. I recall a quote, that right before the Holocaust, "there were two kinds of countries in the world, those that would not let the Jews out, and those that would not let them in." So there is a part of me that grieves to think that justice might mean there not be a Jewish home. 

Are justice for the Palestinians and the existence of a Jewish home two goals which are mutually exclusive?

I've been recently researching Zionism - a hugely complex system of thought. It encompasses a lot more than "a desire to have a Jewish homeland". It is a related topic which I would like to see a calm discussion about.

Looking forward to reading your comments - as well as others'.

ellen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steffie Schamess,<br />
Hello Andrew&#8217;s mom!<br />
Thank you for that report. Some of us in my town in NJ wanted to bring the Group here, but we were unable to contact them, so I am glad to read about their tour. Kudos to you for being part of their effort to reach people in America.</p>
<p>Quoting you - &#8216;the “problem” of demographics in Israel: i.e., the ratio of Jews to non-Jews, and how Israel will remain a “Jewish” state — (a topic on which I hope to blog in the future)&#8217; :<br />
my comments-<br />
I look forward to your comments. I would enjoy being a part of a conversation on this topic - a calm, respectful, even loving conversation. I believe the issue of a &#8220;Jewish state&#8221; is the very root of the situation, that it is the elephant in the living room that most people, including very courageous opponents of the Occupation, do not address.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the parameters of the public discourse need to be widened, to include the question of how (in your words) or if (my word) &#8220;Israel will remain a &#8216;Jewish&#8217; state&#8221;. This will not be an easy task, considering that people like President Carter and Tikkun founder Michael Lerner, who are loud in their declaration of love for Israel, nevertheless receive death threats for their opposition to the Occupation and some of Israel&#8217;s more extreme policies toward the Palestinians. </p>
<p>My own position is conflicted - I have been immersed for fifteen years in the struggle for justice for the Palestinians. When Ali Abunimah, author, and founder of Electronic Intifada, was asked what does optimism look like, he replied, &#8220;Optimism is that the conditions of the Palestinians right now are not as bad as they will be in six months.&#8221; I feel that what we are seeing is an attempt to destroy the Palestinian people as a people. And to not do everything in one&#8217;s power to oppose this most grievous crime is to be complicit.</p>
<p>At the same time -  I am 59-years old. I am the second generation after the Holocaust. I recall a quote, that right before the Holocaust, &#8220;there were two kinds of countries in the world, those that would not let the Jews out, and those that would not let them in.&#8221; So there is a part of me that grieves to think that justice might mean there not be a Jewish home. </p>
<p>Are justice for the Palestinians and the existence of a Jewish home two goals which are mutually exclusive?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been recently researching Zionism - a hugely complex system of thought. It encompasses a lot more than &#8220;a desire to have a Jewish homeland&#8221;. It is a related topic which I would like to see a calm discussion about.</p>
<p>Looking forward to reading your comments - as well as others&#8217;.</p>
<p>ellen</p>
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		<title>By: Steffi</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/#comment-16073</link>
		<author>Steffi</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks to all of you for your comments. 
Ellen, you've inspired me to make good on my word and post a blog on "a Jewish state." It will be a while -- I need to do some reading and research to give a better context to my own thoughts and ideas on the topic. But knowing that it could start an interesting dialogue will be a motivating factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all of you for your comments.<br />
Ellen, you&#8217;ve inspired me to make good on my word and post a blog on &#8220;a Jewish state.&#8221; It will be a while &#8212; I need to do some reading and research to give a better context to my own thoughts and ideas on the topic. But knowing that it could start an interesting dialogue will be a motivating factor.</p>
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		<title>By: richards1052</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/#comment-16176</link>
		<author>richards1052</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 09:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You should all be aware as well of the Los Angeles Israeli consul general's report alleging that Palestinian money funded the Combatants for Peace tour.  It's fully of fallacious claims about Brit Tzedek, CfP &#38; Breaking the Silence.  A real scandal which I'm hoping some media source will pick up fr. my blog.  The article was only printed in Yediot Achronot (not online in Hebrew).  The Eng. version on Ynetnews was completely sanitized.

Here are &lt;a href="http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/index.php?s=ehud+danoch" rel="nofollow"&gt;my two posts&lt;/a&gt; on the affair which ea. contain links to both the Heb &#38; Eng lang versions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should all be aware as well of the Los Angeles Israeli consul general&#8217;s report alleging that Palestinian money funded the Combatants for Peace tour.  It&#8217;s fully of fallacious claims about Brit Tzedek, CfP &amp; Breaking the Silence.  A real scandal which I&#8217;m hoping some media source will pick up fr. my blog.  The article was only printed in Yediot Achronot (not online in Hebrew).  The Eng. version on Ynetnews was completely sanitized.</p>
<p>Here are <a href="http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/index.php?s=ehud+danoch" rel="nofollow">my two posts</a> on the affair which ea. contain links to both the Heb &amp; Eng lang versions.</p>
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		<title>By: MuzzleWatch &#187; Muzzlewatch team is growing, introducing a new blogger</title>
		<link>http://semitism.net/2007/01/23/a-lot-of-dismay-a-little-bit-of-hope-and-two-great-guys/#comment-16200</link>
		<author>MuzzleWatch &#187; Muzzlewatch team is growing, introducing a new blogger</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] There are so many interesting posts at Semitism.net about Jewish scripture, God, losing children and the Combatants for Peace tour, I hardly know where to begin. I am so thrilled to have him join the team. Today, Andrew offers this tongue-in-cheek post about the AJC&#8217;s new pamphlet. With the new perspective that his pamphlet has given me, I have found evidence of anti-Semitism in some of the most important figures of Jewish history. It’s even there in Jewish scripture!   &#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] There are so many interesting posts at Semitism.net about Jewish scripture, God, losing children and the Combatants for Peace tour, I hardly know where to begin. I am so thrilled to have him join the team. Today, Andrew offers this tongue-in-cheek post about the AJC&#8217;s new pamphlet. With the new perspective that his pamphlet has given me, I have found evidence of anti-Semitism in some of the most important figures of Jewish history. It’s even there in Jewish scripture!   &nbsp; [&#8230;]</p>
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